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They`ve just taken out a wheelchair-bound Hamas leader with a missile, killing 7 other people in the process...

Are we seeing "if you can`t beat `em..." tactics at work here?

I`m not sure this is the right word but it seems very immature (and definitely very irresponsible) for a government to embark on this kind of tit-for-tat...

julianf

This item was edited on Monday, 22nd March 2004, 09:47

Isreal has a responsibility to act more intelligently than this, both for the safety of their own people and for overall global stability. Time after time they ignore it, and it makes me f**king furious. The billions of dollars that the US pumps into what is effectively a rogue state is also sickening.

Exactly how stupid are the Isreali authorities? How do they honestly think the Palestinians will react to this? There will be suicide bombers in Jerusalem within hours, and the moronic cycle of "tit-for-tat" will continue, with yet more innocent victims.

I`m not condoning the activities of the Palestinian extremists, but surely the Isrealis must realise that killing the spiritual leader of Hamas is just asking for serious trouble?

Apparently they don`t...

Stupid, irresponsible idiots.

My point exactly...

I just thought I`d put the initial post a little more subtly :D

julianf

Would you concider Binladen the spiritual leader of Al Quieda (sp?) ?

The 42%er.

Your optimistic eyes seem like paradise to someone like me.

That`s not the point...So far the U.K. and France have denounced the killing as "against international law"...

Israel seems to think it can do whatever it wants (yes, even more than Tony Blair and George Bush). It appears to me that they dug themselves into a hole a long time ago by wanting to show to the world "We will not be victims anymore" and they (the Israeli government) use this line to justify their behaviour. The bullied becoming the bully?

julianf

I personally have always felt that the Israelis are a warmongering race. There has not been a decade since Israel was formed that they have not been at war with someone.

And I feel that the International Community lets them away with far too much.

Just my 2 pence worth.


Will

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I just thought I`d put the initial post a little more subtly
There is no subtle about it! This vicious circle of tit for tat and killings(intended or otherwise) has been the norm in the past, in the present and will be in the future. Israel is bankrolled/supported by the US and its hard to establish who is pulling the strings(conspiracy theories anyone?). For these very comments we will be labelled anti-semitic by some even though we may appreciate that 2 wrongs dont make a right. Wish I had a solution to the problem but I ain`t!
Pete

I am glad that (so far) people have given valid concerns about the actions of the state of
Israel..unlike our American counterparts who blindly support the state of Israel under all conditions. Just look at the Israeli sympathetic comments on the BBC by most of the Americans.

The state of Israel is not at all concerned with real peace. Any "peace" has always (and will always) continue to have conditions set by Israel on it`s terms. The state of Israel is a rougue state and it only gets away with it as it has "strong supporters" (more accurately, jewish people and "fundamental" die-hard christians in the US government) who will support Israel at any costs. When you have the support of the only supperpower
in the world, you can do what you will.

Take for example the following
The state of Israel has more UN violations than Iraq ever had. See the Offical UN website to see how many times the UN has "condemned" the state of Israel. Has anything been done about this? No. But Iraq was more of a "threat"

The palestinians are expected to live in third-world conditions in their own country, and are not given any military help and so rely upon home-made bombs, suicide operations to retaliate. The Israeli`s get billions of "loan guarantees" (unconditionally) which are never repaid, get used to build the apartied wall, prevent Israeli-arabs from buying land in Israel, etc and even get military assistance. Israeli`s have a much better quality of living.

The state of Israel demolishes the homes of palestinian suicide bombers. This is collective punishment which the world chooses to ignore, when International law forbids this.

Israel has no objections using the Belgium courts to pursue Nazi`s but has an issue when the same courts want to try Israeli ministers.

Israel kills Palestinian leaders under "targeted killings" but for the other side it is "terrorism"/"assasinations"

Israel reports "innocent civilians" killed bit no significant mention is made of many innocent civilians lost on the other side by Israeli rockets. They are "collateral damage".

Anyone making legitimate comments against Israel is labelled an anti-semetic, whether these people are ordinary people or acedemics (such as in Oxford University) who`s careers go on th eline for making these comments.

Blair/Bush when to war in Iraq under the false pretext of WMD. They actually went to war to remove the threat of Saddam to the state of Israal. Iraq was never a threat to the UK or the USA. Iraq was a threat to the middle east, ie Israel, not Kuwait or Suadi Arabia, etc. Now that Iraq is out of the picture, the USA has issues with Syria and Iran. Why is everyone scared of Israel and has to submit to everything it does.


I could go on, and on. Needless to say, it is these kind of injustices that has resulted in anger in the Mulsim world. The "assasination" of this Shiekh will only bring out the true feeling of the moderate muslims out. They will expect their governments to reign in Israel and if they don`t see this happening will take things into their own hands, which will begin by toppling governments in the Arab worlds.

You can rest assured that you can thank Israel, the blind support of the American Administration, and Blair to bring terror close to your country now.

Anyone from Mossad reading this...you can stop a few individuals but not the entire muslim population.

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I`ve noted over the years that every time some kind of deal is close to being agreed behind closed doors between the Palestine`s and Israels over something, the Israeli army commits some kink of atrocity which scuppers the deal as a spat of suicide bombing starts and the Israel government pronounces that its imposable to do deals with Palestinians. Always remember that the said aim of the current government is to make the occupied territory a full part of Israel due to the water supply there. They have often stated they need the water to make themselves self sufficient. Remember how they turn the water off to the Palestinian towns while their settlements fill swimming pools and water their lawns. They see the Palestinians as just a very low paid work force in the same way the American farmers see the illegal Mexicans.

This item was edited on Monday, 22nd March 2004, 11:44

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I`ve noted over the years that every time some kind of deal is close to being agreed behind closed doors between the Palestine`s and Israels over something, the Israeli army commits some kink of atrocity which scuppers the deal as a spat of suicide bombing starts

How correct you are. You will specifically note that whenever Israel agrees some sort of "peace deal" there is undoubtedly a suicide bombing which goes in favour of Israel, giving them a "legitimate reason" for backing off any peace deals. Either these suicide bombers are morons who decide to act at precisley the wrong time or there`s more to this than meets the eye.

Did you know that Hamas, the very organisation that threatens Israel`s desctruction and was headed by Shiekh Yassin (now assassinated), was once supported morally and financially by the state of Israel in order to ensure that there was another organisation in the Palestinian Territories to limit the rule of the PLO. (This is on the net..even the BBC has this article in the "roots of Hamas"). With Hamas having the support of Israel in the early years, once can see that Israel may have infiltrated this organisation to such an extent that it can get this organisation via Mossad Agents to serve its needs at the appropriate time. Consider this the next time a suicide bombing takes at a rather convienient time for the Israeli`s.

So the organisation that was once supported by Israel has turned against Israel. A bit like Al-Qeada that was once supported by the CIA is now against the USA. Humm, seems Israel and the USA have a common habit of assisting "terrorist" organisations when it suits them and then brands them "terrorists" when it doesn`t.

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