Page 1 of DVD-RAM. Pioneer answers please phelings

phelings I can`t see your logic. Take DVD-RAM. You run it down to the point of putting people off when there is absolutly no need for it. ie
1..If DVD-Ram was unreliable, I could understand, If it caused problems while recording, I`d understand, If there was a more RELIABLE system I`d understand. But you run it down just because you can`t lend it out (which you can). phelings run down DVD-RAM if it doesn`t do what it`s supposed to do, problem is it does what it`s supposed to do & more.

2.."I did not tell you this-but if you copy a commercial disc on your PC with dvd shrink or similar,the resulting copy can be duplicated via the Pioneer.Much more user friendly than any PC copying I know"...... this is a reply to another question. Perhaps we see the real reason you diss the RAM system so much. If you do this & a person has the Panasonic recorder it won`t play r/w discs. That you seem so intent on `Loaning out`

3..On the Pioneer if you record a TV programme with adverts on. You then edit out the adverts. Can you then put this recording (adverts added out) onto a DVD/RW disc & lend it out to play on a normal DVD player or in this mode will a normal DVD player not play it.

4. Mico. You diss this DVD Recorder yet you`ve never had one. No it`s not as practical as the Panasonic RAM system (NOTHING IS) but it is a great little recorder, & people on a budget are moving up a long way from a VHS recorder. Don`t diss this great little recorder.
5..I`ve seen you on other forums where you are trying to diss the RAM system but you get a lot more opposition on these other forums from people who know just how good the RAM system is.

Paull-I never diss RAM.You seem to thnk because I advise against a Panasonic machine that I am slagging off RAM.I`m not.I know it is as good as you say.All I want to tell people is the SINGLE disadvantage of using RAM.Not compatible with 99% of players.If compatibility is not something important to people ,then Panasonic is a good choice,especially with the excellent prices the lower models are going for.But,as seen many times,compatibility IS an issue for some people.There are those who need to play on a PS2,an XBOX,or another player elsewhere in the house.Not possible with RAM.And why don`t Panasonic add -RW to their machine,IN ADDITION to RAM.Yhen you would have RAM for editing,-R for write once,+ the option to use -RW on another player if you wanted to.Other makes do it,why can`t Panny?
Your second point is not really worthy of a comment,but that was a reply to someone asking whether any recorders coied dvd-hdd.I thought it worth mentioning in case it was what he wanted to do.

If you use a -RW inVR mode so you can edit ads out it is just as incompatible as RAM.You always mention this-how many times do I have to say it so you will understand.I KNOW that -RW(VR) is no more compatible than RAM,but -RW(VIDEO) is.I am not saying -RW(VR) is any better than RAM.I simpl;y mention that -RW offers the VIDEO mode,which RAM does not.Of course,if you buy a -RW/HDD model,rather than RAM/HDD,all editing is done on the HDD,but Panasonic do not offer a choice of copying to a compatible rewritable ,unlike ALL othger makes.Once again,this disses Panasonic,NOT RAM.
The Mico is a cheap budget recorder,like lots of other DVD+ machines.I generally advise that people buy a better make if they can afford it.But its certainly value for money,as are most other budget recorders.I never slate the machine as a whole.But you seem to think if I post pointing out which features are missing from a certain machine,(like the Liteon 5005)I am dissing it.Not so.I am pointing out which features are missing-thats all.
In general,this forum has less users than the others I use,but I would say,percentage wise,I get about the same amount of opposition on all forums.Like you,people who are stuck with a RAM only machine will fight tooth and nail to justify their purchase.I did it with my Philips,but as I spent thousand using all formats I had a chance to see the pros and cons of all the different kinds of recording formats.It always a learning experience,but I think I have learnt more than you and other RAM supporters purely because I have used them all,and once you,and others have experienced them all too,you may agree.
To repeat,I don`t dislike RAM at all.Its an excellent format.So next time you see me advise someone against Panasonic,don`t get all defensive.If that person is like you,and compatibility is not important-I would recommend Panasonic as their first choice

Thanks

Thanks Guys, it has been very entertaining reading your various arguments over the last few months. Summerised in the above post`s. This made my mind up to go for the Panny E55, (especially as it was £152) :D

Thanks again guys.

BTW, it is a great piece of kit! :D

Blimey, where did you find the E55 for that price? I have my eye on one of these for Christmas but the cheapest I`ve seen it is £219 multi-region (£199 R"2)

Nick



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