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In the list of things that concentrate the mind switching on my Win 10 PC this morning and getting presented with an FI Asus set up screen (CPU fan failure) does gee one up a bit.
I've been thinking for a while that I need to replace or upgrade as it's probably about 6 or 7 years old now.

Would you wait for Windows 12 and keep replacing anything broke meanwhile (fans working fine after a restart) or go for it earlier.

Doesn't it usually take a few months after a new Windows version before a consensus is reached whether it's good or bad.

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I thought I had future-proofed when I bought my Windows 10 laptop a few years ago, but it turns out that I got one of those processors that isn't supported for an upgrade. I could force it, I guess, otherwise I'm screwed along with 60% of the PC owning planet when MS stops supporting Win 10 with security updates in 2025.

Incoming mountain of e-waste to help fight climate change!

So there's no guarantee that a Win 11 machine will be compatible with a later upgrade to 12. A quick Duck Duck Go tells me that Win 12 is due for release in late 2024, so you'll probably get the few months of consumer feedback before Win 10 is dumped, so it might be worth waiting.

EDIT: And remember when Micro$soft said Windows 10 would be the last Windows ever!? I guess they realised afterwards that they can make more by putting Windows on the cloud, loading it with ads, and charging an annual subscription for it!
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This item was edited on Tuesday, 9th January 2024, 16:21

yeh, one of my work machines is fine for win 10, but apparently can't have 11, but is a perfectly good machine still, only a few years old.

I suppose it depends on what goes bang, and how much the bits cost, or if you have spares you can use.

Regardless of how "good" it is, ppl will hate Windows 12 'cos they hate change ;)

re 12 over 11 over 10, if they put the menu back on the left, ppl will moan that they moved it, just after they got used to it in middle, if they leave in middle, ppl will moan they still haven't moved to left ;)

when we went to 11 at work, some of my colleagues downloaded a tool to move to left, i just stuck with it and have got used to it now.

generally most day to day "normal" stuff works with a new version of windows, they only problems i really remember was getting virtualbox to work nicely when i went to 10 on one machine. sometimes printer/scanner drivers can be an issue, so if you rely on them you may want to wait.


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"but apparently can't have 11"
Yes I got the same response on mine.
I hung on to win XP way past it's support and bought this Win 10 PC.

I hate throwing stuff out when it pretty well still does what I need but recognise when support stops security starts to get compromised.

As far as parts I don't have anything on the shelf but if it goes a CPU fan isn't going to break the bank.


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What CPU do you have?

It's possible that your system is compatible but requires the fTPM or PTT setting in BIOS to be enabled. I needed to do this last year when I "upgraded" to W11.

You can also disable the TPM check in registry if you want to, although this might cause issues with any software that requires TPM to function (for example, some video game anti-cheat systems will not work without it). Windows itself doesn't seem to mind not having TPM, though.

I have no idea what any of those even are, apart from BIOS
(DuckDuckGos)
Ah right
Trusted Platform Module.
Nope, still none the wiser.

CPU is AMD10-7700K Radeon R7


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Okay well that's pretty old indeed. In fact, that CPU celebrates its 10th birthday this month.
Which means the TPM setting will not exist in the BIOS, unfortunately. It was just a thought.

TPM is a hardware-level feature that is required for Windows 11 and the installer/upgrade wizard checks to see if you have it before it will proceed with the install. There are a few methods you can use to skip this check and install W11 on any machine, but this may have unforeseen consequences in the future.

So upgrading to a new PC is probably the best option after all.

As for whether you should wait until Windows 12 is released before upgrading, I doubt it would make much difference tbh. It seems like Microsoft are trying to copy Apple and Google once again by releasing more frequent major OS updates, much like MacOS/iOS and Android. Give it a few years and you'll be hearing about Windows 13...

I wouldn't expect the kind of problems that you used to get with older Windows versions, where you had to wait for a service pack or two before taking the plunge. Also, it is highly unlikely that any system you buy today would be incompatible with W12 in the way that W11 made semi-recent hardware obsolete.

The only reason I might be inclined to wait would be for better hardware in the future. That said, if you only use a PC for regular use then current hardware will be more than sufficient.