Page 1 of IS THIS RACISM-jobs fair for black+ethnic people

hi-manc town hall are holding a job fair-companys there are
gm police/fire and hm prison-and many many more-theres also other notes on internet which are more truthfull-saying black+ethnic minoritys job fair-
i mean theres many people out of work-all colours-but it seems they are missing white english people out-im disabled and cant even get a interview because im a wheelchair user-etc
now im not being nasty-i just want different views-is it right/wrong/or is it pc gone to far?



here is the note=and website for manc town hall
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/faqs.php?categoryID=100008

Jobs fairs and recruitment events
Jobs Fair for Black & Minority Ethnic people
The event will take place from 11.00am to 4.00pm in the Great Hall at Manchester Town Hall, Albert Square on Tuesday 20 January 2009.
Increase you independence and confidence when applying for jobs. Find out what`s on offer from a wide variety of employers from the private, public and voluntary sectors, who will be available to answer queries about specific job and career opportunities.

A wide variety of job vacancies will be available on the day. Visitors can also obtain advice on employment related matters, training and educational opportunities. Free workshops will also take place, offering practical advice on completing application forms and interview techniques.


Although the Jobs Fairs are targeted at attracting groups that are generally underrepresented within the workforce, everyone is welcome to attend.


More information about the organisations attending this event are available in this download.

For more information about the jobs fair, contact Sonia Stewart:
Tel: 0161 234 3985
Internal: 800 3985
Fax: 0161274 7024
Email: 1trawets.s[at]ku.vog.retsehcnam

This item was edited on Monday, 19th January 2009, 10:27

A good friend of mine was setting up a small business in Acton some 15-20 years ago. He approached the local council to find what was available in the way of new business grants.

He had a good interview and the council representative confirmed that the business plan was sound, and that the business was of the type that they would like to encourage. Howver he concluded the interview with a statement along the lines of "Well Mr. Smith, you have told me about your wife and children so I can tell you are not gay, you walked in so you are not disabled, and I can see that you are white. I am very sorry, but you don`t qualify for a grant regardless of the new jobs that you will be creating."

I despise most of the trendy PC behaviour. I think positive discrimination had sound grounds but it has been abused to the point where it is now exploited by people as bigoted as the Southern Slave owners of old.

While in rant mode, another point that always confuses me, and I will state that I am not homophobic.

If gays have this strong determination to just be accepted as `normal` (I don`t mean to cause offence by that) why do they have to go to such extrordinary lengths to proclaim their difference. Gay Pride etc... The `normal` majority don`t feel the need to wear a badge proclaiming "I`m Joe Average".

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If gays have this strong determination to just be accepted as `normal` (I don`t mean to cause offence by that) why do they have to go to such extrordinary lengths to proclaim their difference. Gay Pride etc... The `normal` majority don`t feel the need to wear a badge proclaiming "I`m Joe Average".

Can difference not be celebrated? Sounds to me that you are quite happy for people to be gay, providing they don`t do anything gay in front of you. Which I`d say is somewhat conflicting with the statement you made before. :)

Like it or not, Gay Pride celebrates a particular culture, just like the Notting Hill Carnival does. It is also enjoyed by straight people!

Anyway, I don`t recall anyone ever being beaten to death for being Joe Average. And yes, people are still regularly verbally abused, physically injured and sometimes even murdered here in the UK, simply because of their sexuality. And let`s not even get into how anyone different is treated in many places abroad.

Back to the main point...

Positive discrimination can and has been abused, but that isn`t much of reason to see it as a bad thing. Much like a small percentage of people who illegally claim disability benefit doesn`t mean it too isn`t an important legitimate thing for many others.

Even with good intentions, things aren`t always perfect, but I do often see people use a few stupid things as an opportunity to jump on the wonky Anti-PC bandwagon. The reason these things exist is because racism still exists, you might be sick of hearing about it, but then I`m sure lots of other people are sick of experiencing it. :/


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It should just be that the best person gets the job, regardless of their race, sexuality, disability etc. I thought we`d made a step towards this with the age discrimination laws but clearly not.

Why any business would want an onbiously inferior individual doing the job just to up their number of minority workers or for some other reason seems crazy to me. And how the hell so many subways, mcdonalds etc think it`s a good idea to employ staff who can barely speak english...surely there must be other suitable people looking for work?

I`m not having a go, it`s just common sense. I wouldn`t expect to be able to go and work in Paris serving the public without having a decent grasp of their native language.

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ive gay friends and friends from india--and im disabled wheelchair user-and i cant get through the front door in jobs etc--my freinds who are from india-dont agree with everything thats done in the name of pc rights-but why cant we all try for jobs-never mind race/sex/ etc

and to person who said gay people get beat up etc-so do people like me-im a easier target as i cant run after them-ive been attacked 2 times in 7 yrs and now wont go out alone-but i for one think theres too much pc-why cant we all have the same rights-

but i will prob get called and racist or homophobic--but i know im not-but we should all have fair chances
like another prob is i cant find a council home as im disabled-theres not enough even though the goverment say by 2010-there should be same amount of homes should be available-to able bodied and disabled-but manc city council also have a ethnci list for there targets for homes-but all in all its pc gone to far

I kind of agree and disagree with a lot of the comments above.

I do think there will always be some kind of discrimination in the job sector for example if you are making Indian wedding food it stands to reason that most people doing this would be Indian. I am not saying that others should not be able to have a go just at what seems likely in terms of people who understand and can make the food at present. I do not have much if a problem with this as mostly it is in small businesses which cater for a specific demographic. Be it skin colour or sexual preferenc or something else.

I do think in large corporations the idea of positive discrimination is bascially good in terms that for a larger period of time women, ethnic minorities, gay and other minorites were woefully under represented. For example in public sector organisations which deal with a whole community I think having the range of people who can relate and understand the people is even more important.

I do agree in general that it should be the best person for the job, however this can clash with the above which makes it hard to choose. I guess then it would depend on circumstances for example if a police force was located in a area with a high minority representation I would suggest that enabling a few of the people from that community join would be more beneficial in the long term than someone who may be slighty better suited to the job originally. If you look at the long term that is.

However there is also a real over exageration at times of the so called PC bridage, now this is across the board a recent example is the breast feeding pics on facebook the street names etc. The example given by somebody about their friend being told as they were average joe they couldn`t get support does seem not fair to me. I would say that that if something is worthwhile then regardless it should be given due consideration.

The last thing I would want is for somebody to say to me that I got my job just cos they were making up the numbers as opposed to me being amazing at it (which is clearly the case)

Do you not see the irony in your position Yakeedoo? You are disabled, you want everyone to be able to try for all jobs never mind race/sex/disability, providing you are capable of doing the job.

You also state that because you are a weelchair user, you can`t get through the front door in jobs. And you`ve been attacked because you are in a wheelchair, whether that be some bizarre prejudice or just lowlife scum taking advantage of the fact you are less likely to retaliate.

Are job fairs like the one you brought up not designed to help people who are also suffering prejudiced against them? I would say you have a lot in common with these other minority groups, whether you like the idea or not.

Your original post was moaning about a Manchester job fair aimed at trying to help black and ethnic people to get work. What about the 2008 fair Manchester City Council hosted in May for disabled people?

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/news_article.php?newsID=3634

Is this also PC gone mad?

Personally I despise the term political correctness, because of the first word mainly. Although I also hate it because the right wing media chooses it as an easy stamp on anything they want to slag off, usually as an excuse to veil their prejudice, and almost always proceeded by the words "gone mad".


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Jobs Fair for Black & Minority Ethnic people

Jobs Fair for White people.

So you have jobs fairs that are only offering jobs to either Blacks or Ethenic how is that any less wrong then say Jobs Fair that would offer jobs for just white people, they are both examples of racism. :/